Comments on: Veganism and Sustainability, Part I http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i Lifestyle Entrepreneurship, Permanent Travel & Digital Nomad Lifestyle Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:33:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Veganism and Sustainability, Part II : THRILLING|heroics http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-269 Veganism and Sustainability, Part II : THRILLING|heroics Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:00:43 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-269 [...] In part one I discussed the frightening ways that livestock production destroys our planet. To understand the full situation I suggest reading part one. [...] [...] In part one I discussed the frightening ways that livestock production destroys our planet. To understand the full situation I suggest reading part one. [...]

]]> By: Jim http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-258 Jim Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:22:06 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-258 I found a couple of places that back up the 120 lbs per day-its for a large dairy cow and thus 120 is the upper end of the range. One is listed below: http://animalrangeextension.montana.edu/articles/natresourc/cnmp/other/manure_tabl1.htm I found a couple of places that back up the 120 lbs per day-its for a large dairy cow and thus 120 is the upper end of the range. One is listed below:

http://animalrangeextension.montana.edu/articles/natresourc/cnmp/other/manure_tabl1.htm

]]> By: Jaime http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-257 Jaime Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:01:58 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-257 I cited this information from a website with the following quote: "A single dairy cow produces about 120 pounds of wet manure per day, which is equivalent to the waste produced by 20–40 people. That means California’s 1.4 million dairy cows produce as much waste as 28–56 million people.” http://21stcenturygirl.net/index.php/eat-less-meat-fish-and-dairy-for-the-planet/personal-story/#more-150 I cited this information from a website with the following quote:

“A single dairy cow produces about 120 pounds of wet manure per day, which is equivalent to the waste produced by 20–40 people. That means California’s 1.4 million dairy cows produce as much waste as 28–56 million people.”

http://21stcenturygirl.net/index.php/eat-less-meat-fish-and-dairy-for-the-planet/personal-story/#more-150

]]> By: Steve Barbour http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-256 Steve Barbour Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:36:37 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-256 Do you have a citation for a dairy cow producing 120lbs of manure per day? Sorry, I've lived around cows most of my life, and while they do produce a lot of manure, it's not 120lbs per day. Do you have a citation for a dairy cow producing 120lbs of manure per day? Sorry, I’ve lived around cows most of my life, and while they do produce a lot of manure, it’s not 120lbs per day.

]]> By: RFK Jr. 2008 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-255 RFK Jr. 2008 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:39:50 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-255 http://www.myspace.com/rfk_jr_for_the_usa http://www.myspace.com/rfk_jr_for_the_usa

]]> By: Jim http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-250 Jim Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:40:53 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-250 Thanks for your quick reply and for the information on the source of your information. However, I still maintain that the information is incorrect--even if it was written by Robert Kennedy, Jr. Well intentioned people can certainly make honest mistakes. I must admit that I have not asked the question of any regulatory agency, but I am an Arkansas resident and attuned to water quality issues in the state. I can say with nearly 100% certainty that there are NO streams in northwestern Arkansas where swimming is prohibited (I mean by a regulatory agency) because of fecal bacteria. This is not to say that northwestern Arkansas streams aren't adversely affected by nutrients, bacteria,and possibly by pharmaceuticals, etc. BTW, I'm not in agriculture or some other field where anyone could think that I have anything to gain by whitewashing the situation. I also tend to agree, at least in concept, with many of your statements so I'm not disagreeing with this particular statement because I'm trying to discredit you or the subject of your articles. I would invite anyone who would like to check on this further to contact the Arkansas Department of Environmental Quality (you can google their contact info). If anyone checks into this and gets the info from ADEQ or any other regulatory agency, I'd be happy if you could share it with us. Thanks for your quick reply and for the information on the source of your information. However, I still maintain that the information is incorrect–even if it was written by Robert Kennedy, Jr. Well intentioned people can certainly make honest mistakes.

I must admit that I have not asked the question of any regulatory agency, but I am an Arkansas resident and attuned to water quality issues in the state. I can say with nearly 100% certainty that there are NO streams in northwestern Arkansas where swimming is prohibited (I mean by a regulatory agency) because of fecal bacteria.

This is not to say that northwestern Arkansas streams aren’t adversely affected by nutrients, bacteria,and possibly by pharmaceuticals, etc.

BTW, I’m not in agriculture or some other field where anyone could think that I have anything to gain by whitewashing the situation. I also tend to agree, at least in concept, with many of your statements so I’m not disagreeing with this particular statement because I’m trying to discredit you or the subject of your articles.

I would invite anyone who would like to check on this further to contact the Arkansas Department of Environmental Quality (you can google their contact info). If anyone checks into this and gets the info from ADEQ or any other regulatory agency, I’d be happy if you could share it with us.

]]> By: Jaime http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-249 Jaime Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:39:21 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-249 First off, thank you for reading and I hope you check out part 2. That particular peice of information came primarily from Grist (http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbox/2000/11/20/last/index.html) I was mistaken, however, in that half of the waterways in Northwestern Arkansas, not half of Arkansas, were affected. This is a quote from that article. "Massive political contributions from this tiny handful of billionaire agriculture barons allow them to evade laws that prohibit other Americans from polluting our waterways. Industrial agriculture now accounts for over half of America's water pollution. Two years ago, Pfiesteria outbreaks connected with wastes from industrial chicken factories forced the closure of two major tributaries of the Chesapeake and threatened Maryland's vital shellfish industry. Tyson Foods has polluted half of all streams in northwestern Arkansas with so much fecal bacteria that swimming is prohibited. Drugs and hormones needed to keep confined animals alive and growing are mainly excreted with the wastes and saturate local waterways." All of my facts have been found in the refrences listed at the end. First off, thank you for reading and I hope you check out part 2. That particular peice of information came primarily from Grist (http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbox/2000/11/20/last/index.html) I was mistaken, however, in that half of the waterways in Northwestern Arkansas, not half of Arkansas, were affected. This is a quote from that article.

“Massive political contributions from this tiny handful of billionaire agriculture barons allow them to evade laws that prohibit other Americans from polluting our waterways. Industrial agriculture now accounts for over half of America’s water pollution. Two years ago, Pfiesteria outbreaks connected with wastes from industrial chicken factories forced the closure of two major tributaries of the Chesapeake and threatened Maryland’s vital shellfish industry. Tyson Foods has polluted half of all streams in northwestern Arkansas with so much fecal bacteria that swimming is prohibited. Drugs and hormones needed to keep confined animals alive and growing are mainly excreted with the wastes and saturate local waterways.”

All of my facts have been found in the refrences listed at the end.

]]> By: Jim http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-248 Jim Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:29:35 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-248 I have to agree with Ed. Can you document a single example of a government entity prohibiting swimming in any segment of any Arkansas stream because of livestock pollution? Can you even give us the name of such a stream? Where did you get this information? I think many of your points are valid and certainly worthy of discussion, but this statement damages your credibility. I have to agree with Ed. Can you document a single example of a government entity prohibiting swimming in any segment of any Arkansas stream because of livestock pollution? Can you even give us the name of such a stream? Where did you get this information?

I think many of your points are valid and certainly worthy of discussion, but this statement damages your credibility.

]]> By: Ed http://www.thrillingheroics.com/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i#comment-247 Ed Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:49:52 +0000 http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2007/07/veganism-and-sustainability-part-i.html#comment-247 >>>Swimming in half of Arkansas’ streams has been prohibited because of the livestock pollution caused by Tyson Foods, just one example of the utterly unsustainable practices of the meat industry concerning our waterways.>>> This is simply untrue. Can you give an example of a SINGLE Arkansas stream in which this has occurred? BTW, chicken producers don't "dump" chicken litter into streams. That would be an absolute waste of a valuable asset. Chicken producers apply litter according to nutrient management plans created with the assistance of USDA's Natural Resouces Conservation Services, which specify how the phosphorus is going to be utilized by the crops planted. >>>Swimming in half of Arkansas’ streams has been prohibited because of the livestock pollution caused by Tyson Foods, just one example of the utterly unsustainable practices of the meat industry concerning our waterways.>>>

This is simply untrue. Can you give an example of a SINGLE Arkansas stream in which this has occurred?

BTW, chicken producers don’t “dump” chicken litter into streams. That would be an absolute waste of a valuable asset. Chicken producers apply litter according to nutrient management plans created with the assistance of USDA’s Natural Resouces Conservation Services, which specify how the phosphorus is going to be utilized by the crops planted.

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